S1: I started writing Graffiti in the New York Subway sense of
the word in the early 80fs in London. I started exhibiting on canvas
around 1990 and in the last ten years I have been concentrating
on selling canvases, collaborating with fashion brands and pushing
it in any direction I can. My style has evolved over the years and
I think that this is all about personality. There was a day I decided
to go painting where I didnft bring an outline sketch with me, just
took a bag of paint and wanted to see what would happen on the wall.
That was the day that changed everything. The idea of rocking up
and making a painting out of your own head with no aspirations to
be part of a culture or to try and impress people but just painting
for yourself.
O2: I saw a Futura piece along time
ago when I was about 16 and it had been done backwards, so it read,hAr
u tufh. For a 16 year-old that seemed so cool. I moved to London
soon after, met She-One and rockGroup was formed in 1999. We are
text based, no characters, just typography. Everything comes from
the name, the abstraction of the name and the representation of
the name. Itfs basically a World War against Helvetica!
- Have you had any influences from other artists over the years?
S1: Plenty! In Graffiti terms, it was Dondi, Crash and Futura from
America and in Europe it was definitely Bando from Paris, since
then there hasnft been anyone else. I am still influenced by those
people and if you look at my work, you can figure that out.
I met O.Two a few years ago and we
realized that we had similar interests in music, women, booze and
hotrods so grockGrouph was formed. Usually, Graffiti writers come
together to form a crew, but we didnft want that, ours is more of
an ideal on how we want to spend our life.
O2: Our collaborative project is our lifestyle, as opposed to our
outputs. We are not like a typical graffiti crew that rocks up and
does a production. We donft spend hours stressing about outlines
or themes for pieces, itfs just about painting for us.
- Apart from London, where else have you painted?
S1: I have been fortunate, as my painting has taken me all over
the world and I have been invited to paint in a lot of different
countries.
I have been to Hong Kong, Taipei, Tokyo,
Osaka, and Sydney. The only place that I havenft really been to
is Africa. Collaboratively, we have worked in Europe quite extensively
and we killed it in Venice Beach, USA as well.
- Do you think that there is a difference between UK Graffiti and
Japanese Graffiti?
S1: Yes definitely. There is a basic divide between Eastern and
Western philosophies in design. Western design in general, is about
detailed space and the look of something once it is finished. Eastern
design tends to be more centrifugal. It comes from a core idea and
then the aesthetics are applied to that. I started thinking a while
ago that the idea is more important than the finished work.
So if you go to a live painting with
a core idea, the work will always be more interesting than the finished
product. It becomes more about doing it than actually making a beautiful
painting. Itfs pretty much a principle that rockGroup paints by.
- You have both been based in London for a long time doing Graffiti.
How do you think the scene has changed over the years?
S1: I have never really been part of a scene so I canft comment
about that. As an artist, your whole motivation for working is a
personal journey so for that to be important, you should only be
interested in what you are doing. Of course you can appreciate what
other artists are doing but you shouldnft be influenced or directed
by that.
My work is very personal and reflects
what mental state I am in that time. If it reflects anything outside
of that, then it would be untrue.
O2: I have deliberately separated myself from any type of scene
because any members of a said scene would ask you to pay your dues
and I have no idea where I left my chequebook! If you concentrate
too hard on trying to be part of a scene, then you have lost the
plot.
- What kinds of music are you guys listening to?
S1 & O2: Desert Rock. Queens of the Stone Age, The Melvins,
Sonic Youth, Mondo Generation.
- What does the future hold for the rockGroup?
S1 & O2: Oblivion, Steamboats,
maybe sinking Yachts, crashed black Lambourghinis, flaming Hotrods
and empty bottles of whiskey. We would hate to know what the future
held because then you would be gripped by some unnatural path you
are trying to achieve. Itfs good not knowing whatfs gonna happen
next. Live for today, thatfs another rockgroup philosophy.
- Can you tell us about any other projects you have lined up?
O2: Our concept for our next project is to build a British Car/Hotrod
that murders all other concepts of Hotrods. No airbrushing, just
flat colour. Itfs all about the stance of the vehicle and basically,
trying to infiltrate British Hotrod nostalgia. The fuel tank, especially,
is gonna be amazing!
Other than that, trying to get sponsored
by Jack Daniels is our next step.
S1: Basically, drag-racing with Hotrods in America was a great sub-culture
until the Beatles ruined it because pop music took over and people
stopped customizing cars and started buying guitars instead and
forming bands. So now, the galaxy is in turmoil and it is up to
rockGroup to customize some Hotrods and bring the planets in alignment
once more.
UKAdapta then met up with She-One and O.Two the following day at
Cargo where they had some more interesting information to share
with us:
S1: After our interview, we continued drinking at the bar until
about 1:30am.
We left and started hitting up a few
tags on the street and before you know it, there were blue flashing
lights and a couple of young cops come out of the car. gHey you
guys, is that your property that you are writing on? Well, you have
to choices, either we arrest you or we write you a ticket.h So we
opted for a ticket and got a GBP80 fine to go with it. They didnft
take our pens or search us.
O2: So when they were going through our details, you know, age,
address etc., they asked us what our professions were and we both
looked at each other and said, gGraffiti Artistsh. So then one of
the cops turned to us and asked, gIs that your day job?h Classic!
- So guys, when were you last arrested?
S1: In 1988. I was busted for being
in possession of spray paint and loitering around the trainyards
but they had no evidence of any wrongdoings. So I was fingerprinted
and photographed, spent 3 hours in a police cell and they let me
go with a warning. They also made me sign a piece of paper saying
that I would never do graffiti ever again. Which of course, I did.
Luckily I was under 18 so it was scrubbed off my criminal record
as a youth misdemeanour.
O2: I havenft been technically arrested but I did have my paint
confiscated at a basketball court in New Cross in 1998. I had so
much paint that the cops had to go across the road to the Tescofs
to get some plastic carrier bags to take all of the cans!